TOPICS:

Questions about God

The Spiritual Realm

Questions by Jesus

Jesus' Identity 
Jesus' Life
Jesus' Teachings
Jesus Today
Early Christianity
Modern Christianity
Bible Interpretations
Traditional Spiritual Teachings
Modern Spiritual Teachings

Spiritual Teachers of the past

New Spiritual Teachers
Progressive Revelation and Channeling
General Religious Issues
Religious Practices
Good and Evil 
The Soul
General Psychological Issues
Healing Psychological problems

General Questions about Spiritual Growth

Using Spiritual Tools
Walking the Spiritual Path (general)
Walking the Path to Christhood
Overcoming the ego
Practical Living
General Questions about relationships
Love and Sexuality
Planetary Issues
Current Affairs
Prophecy
Miscellaneous
About this Website 

Question: Hello Kim, I know you will not reply to me (and I am actually grateful for that) and perhaps not even read this e-mail. However, I still felt I should write and let you know that there is considerable evidence that the "Jesus" who is speaking through you today is not the same Jesus that was speaking through you two years ago. I have copied here two messages from Jesus: one from today and one from two years ago. I leave it to you to determine the reason they appear to contradict one another.
1. "Padre Pio’s mission was to work within the context of the Catholic Church. It was not his mission to challenge the Catholic Church as an institution, and therefore it was not his role to challenge church doctrine."
2. "A very similar, although not identical, consideration can be applied to Padre Pio. It was part of his divine plan that he would seek to reform the Church from within… Yet, once again, the soul decided to remain loyal to the outer Catholic Church and its power structure instead of challenging it."
Perhaps there is some nuance I am not seeing here; however, for your own spiritual safety, I thought I should point this out.


Kim: Jesus, would you mind commenting on this letter and the supposed contradictions in your remarks on Padre Pio? Please let me know if in either answer I did not get the exact words to convey the meaning you intended.

Jesus: I have no comments for the person who wrote the letter. If a person doubts the validity of the messages I give through you, how can anything I say through you help that person overcome such doubts? I will, however, comment because the concept of dealing with seeming contradictions is an important one for all spiritual seekers.

One of the greatest problems we face as spiritual teachers is that so many people tend to close their minds to a higher understanding of some aspect of the spiritual path. And I am not hereby talking about people who openly reject religion. You will see people who have been on the spiritual path for decades and who think they are very open-minded. Yet they have certain viewpoints, certain beliefs, that they think are beyond questioning, so it becomes impossible for us to give these people a higher understanding of those particular issues. Such people are simply not willing to let us “disturb” them with a higher understanding. This is explained in greater detail in the answer from which the first quote about Padre Pio was taken.

As I explain throughout this website, the spiritual path is a gradual process. Many people start out in a traditional religion, which claims that an outer doctrine presents an absolute, infallible or unquestionable truth. They gradually open their minds to something beyond the doctrines of their (former) church, but many retain the belief that in order to evaluate the validity of a spiritual teaching, it is necessary to compare it to a particular doctrine or philosophy. Even many New Age people accept one particular teaching as the authoritative source, and they compare any new teaching to it. At the beginning stages of the path, this is necessary because the soul needs a foundation. However, there will come a point when, in order to make further progress, the student needs to transcend this approach.

The reason is that when you evaluate a new teaching by comparing it to an old teaching, it is very easy to base your evaluation on the words or a particular interpretation of those words. This can block your acceptance of higher concepts that go beyond the old teaching—and the entire idea behind progressive revelation is that we continually release higher concepts.

As I explain in the answer mentioned above and in the book Beyond Religious Conflict, words are inherently relative, and no absolute truth can be expressed in words. The consequence is that if your understanding of a spiritual teaching does not go beyond the level of the words, you will inevitably find contradictions between different teachings, which is one of the major causes of religious conflict. It was precisely the mindset of basing all beliefs on the outer word that caused the scribes and the Pharisees to reject me and my new teaching.

When you look only at the words, you will often find contradictions within a single spiritual teaching. Take for example the following statements made by me,

He that is not against us is for us. (Luke 9:50)

He that is not with me is against me.
(Matthew 12:30)

To the analytical mind, these statements are contradictory, and the conflict can be resolved only by going beyond the words and considering the context in which each statement was made. The problem is that many people are not open to such a higher understanding:

  • Some people approach the spiritual path based on feelings, often fear. They reason that if two statements are contradictory, one must be true and the other false.
  • Some people approach the path intellectually, and they often reason for or against an issue without finding an absolute answer.

Both groups of people close their minds to the fact that there is an absolute truth but that this truth cannot be confined to words. If people are trapped in fear, they tend to become very judgmental toward any teaching beyond their chosen one. A perfect example is how the scribes and Pharisees deliberately sought to find contradictions in my teachings or between my teachings and the old law.

If people are stuck in the intellect, they often reason that there is no absolute truth or that they cannot know such a truth (and they cannot know truth through the intellect). Thus, they tend to see any teaching as being as valid as any other teaching, meaning that they can pick the one that appeals to them. They can become judgmental toward anyone who states that there is a truth beyond what the intellect can detect.

The problem with both approaches is that they are based on a refusal to discern between God’s truth and man-made – dualistic – doctrines. This often makes people feel threatened by a higher understanding than what they currently accept. In order to avoid being disturbed, they often go into a defensive frame of mind that makes them judgmental toward new ideas. As a way to justify staying in their present belief system, some people deliberately look for ways to reject new ideas, including looking for contradictions in the teaching or between the new teaching and the person’s preferred teaching.

When a person is deliberately looking for contradictions and is only looking at the words, contradictions can always be found. The reason being, as I also explain in the previously mentioned answer, that words belong in the realm of duality. When a mind is stuck in duality, it decides what should be true and then judges every new idea based on that decision. Thus, such people are no longer looking for a higher understanding; they are only looking for confirmation of what they have decided must be true. They are no longer approaching the path with the innocent and inquisitive mind of a little child, and thus they cannot enter the kingdom of true knowledge.

Instead, the person has now formed a belief system in the outer mind, a belief system influenced by, perhaps completely based on, dualistic thinking. Because such a belief system is relative, the person can always interpret a teaching or situation in such a way that it seems like the person or his/her belief system is right. The ego can always control people in this state of mind because it can so easily make them believe in ideas that block their growth.

For example, the ego will reason that if I say something through a given messenger that agrees with the person’s belief system, then it is the real Jesus speaking. Yet if I say something that is not in agreement, then the ego says I cannot possibly be the real Jesus. You see this in many fundamentalist Christians who reject this website because I say things that contradict their literal interpretation of the Bible. Sadly, even many New Age people reason the same way—they simply have a different dualistic belief system as their reference point.

Many people keep looking for a teaching or messenger until they find one that says what their egos want to hear, rather than saying what their souls need to hear in order to transcend the ego. They somehow reason that they know better than the Ascended Host what we should or should not say. An extreme example of this mindset is found in the following passage,

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
(Matthew, Chapter 16)

Although Peter recognized the Christ, he was not willing to let go of his dualistic ideas about how a Christed being should live or die. Thus, I could merely lead him to the well; I could not get him to drink my Living Waters.

It remains a fact that if you are not willing to be disturbed by a spiritual teacher, you are not truly on the spiritual path. You are following the way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death (Proverbs 14:12). That is why I called the scribes and Pharisees for hypocrites; they thought they were the most pious and religious people, yet their minds were closed to the Living Truth.

At an even deeper level, it is a fact that when most people find the spiritual path, they are still partly in the duality consciousness. Thus, they will inevitably be in a state of consciousness that attracts the dualistic opposites. With that I mean that many people are open to progressive revelation, but they fall into one of the two extremes of either accepting only one teaching as valid or accepting all teachings as equally valid. Either way, they will be targets for false teachers, who will seek to manipulate them to either close their minds to new ideas or open their minds to any new idea, including false ideas. People then tend to become either too rigid or too scattered and confused.

Even if you find a teaching that is truly from the Ascended Host, your ego will still use your dualistic beliefs to distort your view of that teaching. As you become more familiar with the teaching, your ego is also educated in the concepts and lingo used by the teaching. Thus, your ego and any external false teachers can actually use a true teaching to slow down your growth by causing you to close your mind. The only way to avoid this is to constantly be open to being disturbed by your Christ self and the Ascended Host, which means that you are willing to let a new idea take you beyond your comfortable beliefs. If you are not willing to be disturbed, you will turn even a true teaching into a mental prison.

When you come up higher on the path, you can completely transcend the level of duality, and thus false teachers and false teachings will no longer be a threat to you. The prince of this world will come and have nothing in you. How can a person rise above duality? It is captured in my statement,

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24)

In the spiritual realm, there are no contradictions. Thus, when a person reaches beyond duality, reaches for the Spirit of Truth (which is the person’s Christ self), all seeming contradictions will be resolved. Yet in some cases, the contradictions between two outer teachings cannot be resolved in a way that can be expressed in words. The resolution can be experienced in a nonverbal, nonlinear way that cannot be translated into words.

In the end, the validity of a spiritual teaching can be determined only by reading the vibration of the message—not by reading the words. You can learn to read vibrations by developing a conscious relationship with your Christ self. When you have contact with your Christ self – with the Spirit of Truth – you can compare the vibration of an outer teaching to the vibration of your Christ self, and this is the ultimate measure of truth. In some cases you might even sense the validity of a teaching even though your outer mind does not agree with the words used.

When you have contact with your Christ self, you will not fall into the trap of comparing new ideas to a fixed doctrine and you will not judge the people bringing forth such ideas. Your approach to new ideas will be love-based, instead of being based on fear, judgment or a sense of being threatened—which leads to anger. Thus, when a person points out a seeming contradiction, it is always valid to read the person’s vibration and see whether it is based on love or other emotions. If the person is not coming from love, there is often little hope of helping the person reach resolution, and thus further discussion is best avoided. I often said, “Let those who have ears hear,” because some people simply do not have ears to hear a higher expression of truth.


Kim: What exactly is your teaching concerning Padre Pio’s mission?

Jesus: Padre Pio lived a long life and his mission had many complex aspects. Thus, as I clearly indicated in the first answer, it was not my intention to give an absolute teaching on Padre Pio’s life. How could a couple of paragraphs give a complete summary of a person’s life? Thus, each quote was meant to illustrate a particular point in the context in which it was given. The context of the first answer is that it is never our intention to give an absolute teaching, and therefore our messages are adapted to the target audience. I then said:

This explains why a person with the spiritual attainment of Padre Pio could deny reincarnation. Padre Pio’s mission was to work within the context of the Catholic Church. It was not his mission to challenge the Catholic Church as an institution, and therefore it was not his role to challenge church doctrine.

If you read my comments about the Catholic Church on this website, especially my discourse, Follow me, not Peter, it is easy to conclude that the Catholic Church was, from its inception, based on a flawed interpretation of my teachings. The main problem being that the Church turned me into an idol and discouraged people from following my example and doing the works that I did. It is therefore true that there is a great need for reform in the Church. Yet there are different ways to go about this, and here are a few:

  • One approach is to reason that the Church is so far from my true teachings, and so steeped in centuries of tradition, that it is impossible to reform the Church from within. A person would then start another organization that was based on a higher interpretation of my teachings. In doing so, the person would challenge the very existence of the Church and its claim to be the only true Church of Christ. The person would challenge the Church as an institution and would also challenge at least some aspects of the outer doctrine.
    This approach is perfectly valid for some people, and it is indeed why the Ascended Host have sponsored various organizations and messengers to give a higher understanding of my true teachings. Yet it was not Padre Pio’s approach.
  • Another approach is to reason that while the Church needs reform, it is still a viable organization, and thus it must be reformed from within. A person might challenge specific aspects of doctrine and the organizational structure, yet this is done by working within the existing structure and seeking incremental changes. Again, this is a perfectly valid approach (although with certain limitations), and it was taken by Pope John the 23rd, culminating in Vatican II. Yet neither was this Padre Pio’s approach.
  • Another approach is to embody the true teachings of Christ to the point where one demonstrates some mastery over matter, in what is often called supernatural abilities. By demonstrating these abilities, one would prove that it is possible for anyone to do the works that Christ did, and if this was genuinely accepted by the Church, it would lead to deep changes in every aspect of the organization.

This last approach was, in fact, part of Padre Pio’s divine plan. Yet during his upbringing, he came to accept the authority of the outer church and its leadership as being unquestionable, and this caused him to hold back. As I said in the second answer:

A very similar, although not identical, consideration can be applied to Padre Pio. It was part of his divine plan that he would seek to reform the Church from within. He already had great attainment, far greater than John Paul, before that embodiment. Yet he also failed to translate his inner vision and attainment into practical measures for reforming the Church.

It was part of Padre Pio’s divine plan that he should develop and express his so-called supernatural abilities and then use them to demonstrate that there is far more to my teachings than what is defined by Catholic doctrine. By demonstrating that when one follows in the footsteps of Christ, one attains mastery over matter itself, Padre Pio could have served as the instrument for making obvious the glaring need to reform Catholic doctrine, Catholic practices and the Catholic organizational structure.

My point is that it was not Padre Pio’s role to challenge the Catholic Church as an organization or to start another church. Neither was it his role to challenge specific aspects of outer doctrine, such as the doctrine against reincarnation. And it was not his role to seek a position in church leadership. It was his role to demonstrate the embodiment of my inner teachings and thereby challenge church leadership to reform the church and bring it into alignment with my true, inner teachings, allowing all Catholics to openly follow my example.

Obviously, there is still much more to be said about Padre Pio and his mission. Yet for me to give deeper teachings through you, Kim, you would have to spend a considerable amount of time studying his life. And I do not consider that a priority, given the plans I have for your messengership.

Finally, let me say that it is not uncommon for the Ascended Host to deliberately make certain statements that will seem contradictory for people who are trapped in the consciousness of duality. This is the principle used in Zen koans of confounding the analytical mind, and you will see that I often employed it 2,000 years ago. I use it occasionally on this website, although I generally seek to give a very straightforward explanation. This is due to the fact that your mind has been trained for lifetimes to express complex spiritual concepts in a language that is easy to understand for people in today’s rational age. Thus, I seek to make the best possible use of your abilities as a messenger.

The bottom line is that all contradictions spring from the consciousness of duality. Contradictions are like beauty; they exist only in the eye of the beholder. They can be resolved only by transcending duality through oneness with the Spirit of Truth. Likewise, spiritual safety can be found only by transcending duality. The least spiritually safe are those who in their pride think they know it all and who are not willing to be disturbed by a spiritual teacher. Woe unto ye lawyers . . .

Back to topic main page.

Back to Answers main page.

Back to top

Copyright © 2005 by Kim Michaels

 

Is it possible to be a Christian and still be a thinking person? Did you grow up being told one creation story in school and another in church? If so, this unique book will help you use scientific findings to strengthen your faith in God and Jesus. It is actually possible to be a Christian in a scientific age!
If you have found anything of value on this website, do not miss this book. Click here for more information.

I AM a Thinking Christian